My personal journey as I follow the Women's and the Men's FA Cup from the Extra Preliminary Round, right through to the final. Like the FA Cup itself, my route will be random - the goal is to go to the games and report upon the experience of the places whilst comparing the men's and women's game at all levels.
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Monday, 29 July 2019
Slightly more whinging…
I grew up in a small town, 22.4 miles from Old Trafford and my dad was a
Man United Season ticket holder, so I’ve always supported them. When Manchester
United re-started their Women’s Team last season I bought a season ticket for
£39 (yes, that’s only £39). I had the intention of going to the odd game to
have a look and give support. However, I
instantly ‘fell in love’ with the women’s game because the atmosphere was
different to the men’s game. I am not saying it was better, I’m just saying it
was different. There was far more positivity in the crowd, less complaining,
more encouragement and a greater mix of men, women, girls, boys and family’s.
On the pitch, the games seemed to be played with less diving and less
‘cheating,’ so I ended up enjoying the experience far more than I thought I
would, and I ended up going to every home game, which was £39 well spent. This is the reason I am following the women’s’ FA Cup this season.
So, on the above point, Manchester United seem to be invested in their
women’s team. They’ve got a top manager
in Casey Stoney and they’ve built a good, young team that dominated the Women’s
Championship last season. On the website, they have pictures of the female
players and there is an ‘appearance’ of full support.
However, like I mentioned last Friday it seems like a lot of aspects are
still an afterthought. For example, you
can sync the men’s’ fixtures from their Website directly to your own personal
on-line calendar and when fixture details change, it automatically updates –
all is good, and everyone knows what’s going on. There is no such feature for
the women’s’ fixtures. If you want the
games in your on-line calendar, then you’ve got to trawl through the list and
input your own. I know this is only a
minor inconvenience but is another example of the inequality within the game,
and this is from one of the richest clubs in the world.
Last Friday’s League Cup fixtures still haven’t been published, even
though the game dates and the groups have been announced. Another afterthought
or does The FA still not know what order the games will be played?
One final whinge is this… (final disclaimer as this is a second-hand
story) Last season my friends (old blog guests Tim and
Adam Webster) tried to buy me a United Shirt for Christmas with my favourite
Women's player name on the back. Apparently, they couldn’t get this from the
United Website. When they searched Women's kit on the United Website, all they
found was a tight-fitting women’s fashion shirt (see below). They had to buy me a plain men’s shirt and
then go to a separate shop in Manchester to get the name added. Another minor inconvenience for them, yet
another example of an afterthought.
I’ve just checked the United Club Shop for this coming season 2019/20 and
it seems that they now have a full range of Women’s Shirts with player names
added – so well done United for rectifying this.
Next up… Mossley Hill Ladies FC (and hopefully more positivism).
Friday, 26 July 2019
Minor whinging and melting…
As I type this I feel like I’m physically melting due to the heat (rather much like the Wicked Witch of the West at the end of The Wizard of Oz – 1939 version of course).
When I wrote my last blog about the men’s FA Cup, I found it relatively easy to find information about the wonderful teams that I followed - in particular Stourbridge FC, as their fans really embraced me with various offers of free pints and Balti eggs. I’ve since learnt, from old blog companion Samantha Beddall, that Stourbridge also have a women’s team that has just turned semi-professional – another great leap for the women’s game I wish them great success in the forthcoming 2019/20 season.
Back in 2014, Google provided me with up to date stats about teams, their
history, where they stood in their leagues and their relative postilion in
comparison to the big boys in the premiership.
However, having followed women’s football last season for a local
Championship club, I already know that it can be harder to find real time
scores and information – and this was for a team in the 2nd tier of
the sport. The BBC website provides
‘instant’ score updates for the men’s game, but often the women’s scores would
take hours to come through (this is also true for Official Club sites). I would often have to rely on Twitter feeds
and the help of other fans to keep up to date with live scores.
The same issues above can be said for the fixtures. This year’s men’s fixtures were released on 13th June, but I had to wait until 1st July for the WSL fixtures to be released! However, on that day I was most surprised to find that they only announced the opening round of games, and I had to wait until 10th July to get the rest of the season’s fixtures. What where they doing for those 10 days? I understand that many fans now support the men’s’ and women’s’ teams together, so fixtures cannot clash (this happened in last year’s Women’s FA Cup final as many West Ham fans could not watch the whole of the women’s FA Cup final due to the men playing at home on the same day).
The same issues above can be said for the fixtures. This year’s men’s fixtures were released on 13th June, but I had to wait until 1st July for the WSL fixtures to be released! However, on that day I was most surprised to find that they only announced the opening round of games, and I had to wait until 10th July to get the rest of the season’s fixtures. What where they doing for those 10 days? I understand that many fans now support the men’s’ and women’s’ teams together, so fixtures cannot clash (this happened in last year’s Women’s FA Cup final as many West Ham fans could not watch the whole of the women’s FA Cup final due to the men playing at home on the same day).
I am still waiting to find information for my local women’s team, as League Cup fixture dates where released weeks ago but I still don’t know who my team will be playing in their group stage (the Women’s League Cup, or Continental Cup, has an initial group stage in which all 23 teams of the WSL and Championship are divided into 3 groups of 6, and 1 of 5, and then the top 2 from each group goes into the quarter final stage).
I stand corrected as the above groups were released this morning - it still took a long time!
I stand corrected as the above groups were released this morning - it still took a long time!
I understand that things take time and we live a world in which our expectations have been raised for convenience and instant results! Perhaps I need to be more patient? I remember when I was a kid, my dad would go and watch the football and then wait until the next day to buy a newspaper to read about it (for those of you under age 25, a newspaper is kind of like a webpage, but written on this stuff called paper – it’s too hard to explain). In those days I would have to look at Teletext for scores and that would sometimes take days – don’t get me started on the Ceefax cinema listings! For those of you under 30, ‘telly text’ or Ceefax where like a slow rolling webpage that you accessed through a telly – once again, it’s too hard to explain!
My point is, that if the women’s game is going to improve, get more investment, get more fans, then the clubs and the media need to up their game as well when it comes to coverage and information. The BBC did a brilliant job with the 2019 Women’s World Cup coverage, so let’s see that as an excellent starting point to improve on.
In my next post I’ll attempt to uncover the puzzle box of trying to figure out what tier our Extra Preliminary Round teams Mossley Hill and Burnley Belvedere play in… Enjoy the weekend!
Wednesday, 24 July 2019
Who is up first in the Extra Preliminary Round?
As mentioned earlier, the women’s trophy resides currently in the Blue
half of Manchester, at the City Academy Stadium.
The 7,000 Capacity Academy Stadium is located directly next to
Manchester City’s Etihad Stadium and it will be the starting point for our
journey. At this current moment, the FA Cup belongs to Manchester City women’s
team (and men’s team). This is where the Cup sleeps and therefore our opening
encounter will be the closest game to its current resting place.
The history of Manchester is vast and far too complicated for this blog,
so I’ll just mention a few things!
Industry, Textiles, Canals (including a big one that ships go down),
Coronation Street, Cracker (showing me age), The Smiths, The Stone Roses, The
Happy Mondays, Oasis (this list could go on and once again, showing my age) and
of course two massive football teams in Manchester City and Manchester United.
Manchester City Women’s team were founded in 1988 and they won the
Women’s Super League in 2016. Other honours include 3 League Cups (2014, 2016
and 2019) and of course 2 FA Cups (2017 and 2019). England Lionesses captain
Steph Houghton is their solid figure at the back and new addition Ellen White
(of 2019 World Cup fame due to her Bronze Boot and glasses celebration) will
surely score more goals for them up front… However, we are not here to talk
about Manchester City Women (yet), because we are here to see which opening FA
cup game is the closet to Manchester.
Drum roll please…
The Extra Preliminary Round has 20 teams and the closet tie to the
current home of the FA cup is draw number 3. Mossley Hill V Burnley Belvedere.
V
This game is in Liverpool and it is 36.4 miles from the FA Cup’s current
home. Join me later for more information
on both teams… and the unbelievably difficult task of trying to figure out
which level in the football pyramid they are from.
Monday, 22 July 2019
The last time we took this journey was during the 2013/14 season
And a lot has happened
since the 2014 FA Cup final between Arsenal and Hull City.
My first ever Blog
Guest, Beverley Rogerson, visited my flat in 2014 and suggested that it needed
a female touch. I didn’t take any notice
of that suggestion, so instead, I’ve added a female touch to The Giant Killing
Adventure.
Following the
success of the 2019 Women’s World Cup, in which 28.1 Million people watched the
BBC footage, we’ve decided to follow the Women’s FA Cup, in homage to the
excellent football and sportsmanship (or is that sportswomanship?/sportspersonship?)
that was on display throughout the tournament.
I had first-hand
experience, as regular blog guest, Tim Webster, and I spent a week in Nice, supporting
England V Japan and Thailand V Sweden. The atmosphere was amazing, the fans
were fantastic, and I felt a real family vibe in which everyone seemed welcome.
The week in Nice was very nice, although it felt like a niche trip!
At the top level in
the England, women’s football seems to be moving in the right direction. The Women’s Super League (top division) has
just received a multi-million sponsorship deal from Barclays and there has been
recent discussion between the FA and the Premiership about the possibilities of
the WSL being taken over by the Men’s top division. Many of the top men’s teams now support a
women’s team. This was shown last year by Manchester United investing in a successful
team that won the Championship (2nd division), after a gap of 15
years or so without having adult female representation. The 2019/20 season is
also going to improve as some games are already being moved to the larger men’s
stadiums and there is talk of possible double-headers to co-inside with the men’s
game and bigger crowds.
All the above seems fantastic
but more needs to be done! I don’t want to be Mr Doom and Gloom but average
attendances for the WSL last year were only 965 and clubs still need to be financially
supported by their retrospective men’s teams. There are rules and regulations
that can prevent good lower teams from moving up the divisions. All WSL Teams
need to be fully professional and all Championship Teams need to be semi-professional
– this is a great idea but only if the club in question can afford it. That is
why I want to begin this journey with the FA cup. I want to go to the lower
league clubs, I want to check out their standards and facilities and I want to shout
about how good (or bad) they are… let’s support the sport at all levels!
The Women’s FA Cup
started in the 1970/71 season (then known as the Mitre Trophy). That year it
had 71 entrants and it was won by Southampton.
In 1993 the FA took over the competition and Arsenal are the record
holders with 14 Cup victories.
The 2019/20 football
season sees the 49th Women’s FA Cup competition and this time 300
teams have entered. As in 2014, we will be diving into this river at the Extra
Preliminary Round. As before, the aim is to follow by picking one game in
the beginning round and following the winner to each consecutive round until we
reach the smooth surface of Wembley in May 2020.
This journey will
take you through women’s grass-roots football as we visit the villages, towns
and cities of our great nation – all united in one goal... winning at football.
Only 20 teams will be taking part in the Extra Preliminary Round (18th
August) and those 10 winners will move into the Preliminary Round on Sunday
September 1st – at that point 98 ties will be taking place as we
edge closer to Wembley!
Before
we begin, let’s have a quick recap on last year’s 2018/19 final:
Last
Year’s final was held on 4th May 2019 between Manchester City and
West Ham United. It was City’s 2nd
ever appearance and West Ham’s first, but City were heavily favoured to
win. This turned out to be no Giant
Killing, as City came away with a comfortable 3 – 0 Victory in front of 43,264
fans. One of the best things about women’s football is the price – tickets for
the FA Cup final were only £15 for adults and kids could go for free! There was even an early bird package in which
you could purchase an adult ticket for £7.50!
Yes, that’s £7.50 and kids could still go for free – this is like 1980s
prices so let’s get involved and support the women’s game.
1989
prices with a 2019 attitude!
As
you can see from the image, Manchester City Women play at the City Academy
Stadium, around 200 miles from Wembley
Stadium. Join me later in the week to see where our FA Cup journey
begins...
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Sunday, 26 November 2017
Well, Saturday’s day was what can only be
described as a cracker, or even a sizzler – despite the cold weather. On the itinerary
provided by the wonderful University of Cumbria our first port of call was to
get to the ground for our 12.15 tour of the stadium. This was an 88.1 mile
journey and according to a well know computer map system it was going to take 1
hour and 38 minutes. We decided to set off at 10am and try and to fit in a trip
to Tebay Services on the M6 (featured previously in the 4th qualifying
round as Workington played Stourbridge when blog guest Frasier Sanderson drove
up on 27th October, 2013). The weather in Preston was horrendous as
heavy rain and cold weather suggested that heading further North was nothing
but a bad idea. However, the further
North we travelled, the nicer it got and some lovely snow topped scenery in
this beautiful part of the country enhanced our pleasant journey.
We
arrived at around 12.10 midday and drove into the stadium car park.
From left to right above Tim Webster, Russell
Hogarth and Adam Webster. I am behind
the camera.
It would appear that we had driven to the
supporters end and we had to walk all the way around the stadium to get the
main reception and ground tour.
As we walked around on to the street, we passed the
club shop and statue of Hughie Mcllmoyle, who had 77 appearances for Carlisle
United between 1962 and 1965. He scored 44 goals for the club.
Brunton Park main entrance – I apologise for the
shaky camerawork…
We somehow joined the stadium tour and ended up in
the Home Dressing room.
It was hear that I noticed the secret to Carlisle’s
recent success - Jaffa cakes and Wine Gums.
We entered the away dressing room to a slight smell
of sweat and we were informed that their shower facilities included an old
style giant bath for all the players.
The tour took us through the tunnel and onto the
pitch.
As we entered the pitch one thought came into my
mind ‘wow, this is amazing,’ and as I thought it, the 10 year boy next to me
said it aloud. I suppose there is a young child inside all of us and it was
great to connect to my former self.
However, as you can see – this was amazing and the
pitch looked incredible. I wanted to go
and lie on it, but perhaps that would not have been a great idea as there is no
working undersoil heating at Carlisle. This fantastic surface was down to the
great ground staff that mow the surface every day and the incredible work of
pump Desmond (it took away all the surface water from Thursday’s flooding). Michael
Knighton built the stand in his brief stint as club owner in the 1990s.
We got to sit on the bench that was designed for
Kenny Baker. I think that players must have been a lot smaller in the olden
days – either that or they had incredibly flexible spines.
We managed to straighten backup and move to Foxy’s Restaurant
for part two of our itinerary list.
It was here that we were given our match tickets and
game programme. Most exciting news was
that it was a free bar!
Food options were either a Steak Pie and Potatoes or
Chilli and Rice. Blog guest Tim Webster
had three helpings….
And I continued with the free drinks… A former
player gave a speech about his hatred of Michael Kington and then we moved to
the pitch – ready for kick off.
Our view was slightly restricted by the giant pillar
but that is the magic of old school football stadia.
This
was an ‘interesting’ turn of events before kick-off and once again I apologise for
the shacky camera work. In the centre of
the pitch is a taxidermined fox know as Olga. She is brought out before kick-off
in all home games and this tradition dates back to the 1950s and represents
Cumbrian huntsman John Peel.
Above
are pictures of Foxy and Olga.
The
game itself was entertaining and in the balance as Carlisle seemed to have the bulk
of the possession and chances but they did look vulnerable to Morecambe’s
counter attack on various occasions. As
the Cumbria University Cheerleaders started to arrive in the opposite stand
around 5 minutes before half time, I felt sorry for them in thier skimpy outfits – it
was not the warmest of days. However us
VIPs rushed back to foxes for our pre-ordered half time drinks. I had mini cakes and two free pints waiting
for me, but only managed to neck one pint before heading back to the stand for
the second half. By the time our Prawn
Sandwich Brigade got back to our seats it was already 1-0 to Carlisle – we had
missed the goal.
Morecambe
seemed to have much more possession in the 2nd half and equalised. With
around 10 minutes to go they got a penalty and the loudest cheer of the day was
when penalty taker Adam Campbell hit the cross bar and the game finished
1-1. I had predicted 4–1to Carlisle so
this proves that I know nothing!
We
headed back into Foxy’s Restaurant for the final part of the itinerary list -
Man of the Match awards and prize giving. Before kick off the VIPs had been
given the opportunity to guess the First Goal Score, the Attendance and the Man
of the Match.
Nobody got the attendance or the first
goal scorer correct, so a random draw took palce and blog guest Tim Webster
went and won himself a Carlisle United Shirt.
Next came the Man of the Match award and
once again Tim Webster won himself a crate of Heineken Beer presented by Man of
the Match Kelvin Etuhu.
After
all these awards and VIP treatments, we set off back to Preston after a thoroughly
enjoyable day. I need to once again thank Cumbria University for their VIP
invite and congratulate them on their 10-year anniversary. Thank you to Foxy’s for all the free food and
beer and thanks to Adam for driving. Thanks to Russell and Tim for their blog
guest appearances.
This
whole day cost me £10….. £5 for a half time raffle and £5 for petrol. By far the cheapest ever outing for the Giant
Killing Adventure and I hope you all enjoyed this one off VIP special…
However,
there is no such thing as VIPS, just Ps…
Take
Care, Nigel.
x
Friday, 24 November 2017
The Giant Killing Adventure is back, by
popular demand for a VIP one off special. By popular demand I mean, myself. How
have we been tempted back into this life of travel and adventure you may be
thinking? Well it is because Cumbria
University has invited us for a VIP day out and of course, we could not say no….
this is no FA cup game. This is a league
game and a local derby that should bring all the intensity, pace and excitement
of English football right to your computer.
Returning to your blog will be Tim
Webster, who you may remember from the 2014 FA Cup Final between Arsenal and Hull
City, but his first appearance was in 2013 for the thrilling 0-0 draw between
Curzon Ashton and Lancaster City. On
that day, he did a lot of talk about the virtues of Walkers ready salted
crisps.
Also returning is driver and blog favorite
Adam Webster, Tim’s brother, who joined the Giant killing Adventure for the
2014 FA Cup Semifinal between Arsenal and Wigan. On that day, blog favorite and troublemaker
Lee Topping nearly had a fight with two Arsenal fans, but we do not talk about
that. Adam Webster kindly drove all the way to Wembley and back and he is in
the driving seat again on Saturday 25th November, 2017.
Brand new to the Giant Killing
Adventure will be University of Central Lancashire’s (UCLan) Honorary Fellow
and Community Ambassador Russell Hogarth.
He is the real reason that we have been invited as VIPs, but he knows
nothing about football… or sport in general (unless you count Motorsports).
When Russell asked me how he should dress for the game, I told him to wear a
suit, a flat cap and to bring a football rattle – I hope he knows I was joking.
I would like to thank Cumbria
University for their wonderful invite and provide you readers with a little
history. The University of Cumbria has its
main headquarters in Carlisle.
It was established in 2007 following the merger of St Martins College,
the Cumbria institute and Cumbrian campuses of UCLan. The University is sponsoring the match on Saturday
25th November, 2017 as it celebrates its 10 year anniversary and
they will also be providing cheerleaders for the half time show!
I haven’t
even told you what game we’re watching…. Well, drum roll please… it is…. Carlisle
United vs Morecambe.
VS
Carlisle is an
88.1-mile trip from our base at the University of Central Lancashire. See below…
Carlisle is
the top end of England and 10 miles south of the Scottish border. It is the largest settlement in the county of
Cumbria and has a population of over 100,000 living in the wider area. Originally, Carlisle was a Roman settlement, established
to serve the forts of Hadrian’s Wall and was always an important military
stronghold through the middle ages.
Textile manufacture during the industrial revolution transformed Carlisle
along with it having an important railway connection to the North and South.
We are heading to Brunton Park:-
Carlisle
United was formed on 17th May 1904 and they are a professional association
football club playing in League Two, the forth tier of the English Football League
System. Morecambe were only promoted into the Football League in 2007 and they
are nicknamed the shrimps.
In the half way
part of this season the shrimps are perched in 22nd place, with 18
points from 19 games. Carlisle on the other hand are sitting mid table (in 12th)
with 26 points. With better league form
and home field advantage Carlisle should be favorites for this game – the Shrimps
are yet to register a win at Brunton Park but you never know what will happen
when it is a derby game.
This game
has the added excitement of a very watery pitch.
From initially
looking at these pictures, I thought that the club has either left it’s flood
lights on by accident or was trying to win the football pools ~. However, apparently it was due to heavy
rainfall.
At one point,
the wet pitch was going to encourage too much diving ~ so the ground staff have
done an amazing job and managed to drain the pitch in time for tomorrow’s game.
I am very excited
about this encounter and cannot wait. Here is the itinerary I have received from
Cumbria University.
You
will be one of 35 VIP guests attending with Professor Julie Mennell and Sandra Booth. A
2 course hot buffet will be served pre-match
in Foxy’s Restaurant. Your match tickets for the main west stand, team
sheet and match day programme will be given to you on the day.
There
will be an optional tour of the Brunton Park ground available, if you would
like to participate please meet at the main reception at 12.15pm.
Alternatively, if you would prefer not to take part in the ground tour please
arrive at Foxy’s Restaurant at 1pm.
Itinerary
12.15pm Meet at
main reception for the ground tour (optional)
1pm
Arrive at Foxy’s restaurant
2pm Food will be served in
the Restaurant
2.15pm Presentations to sponsors and Q & A Session
with current or former CUFC player
3pm
Kick off
3.45pm Half Time – back to restaurant for pre-ordered half time drinks
4.45pm Game
finishes - back into restaurant for match day competitions and man of the match
presentations.
What
is not to like and did I mention the Cheerleaders! So, one sleep to go and we’ll be back with
you tomorrow.
~ ‘jokes’ proved by Tim Webster. The Floodlights ‘joke’ was my own and I did chuckle
in the office. Life is so much easier when you can amuse yourself!!!
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